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An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:23
by GiHimp
An incontrovertible corollary:

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:10
by xg27
So, the Jews - for the purpose of dominating the world - deliberately cause the wave of refugees sweeping into Europe? Even from as far as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Black Africa? And I suppose they are also responsible for South- and Central American migrants into the USA?


As a matter of fact, Jewish fundamentalists that feel entitled and even requested to dominate the entire world(1) do exist. However, their significance is greatly overrated(2). And fortunately - or unfortunately - they have a lot of competition. The [sinking] star of the day is the Islamic group around Al-Baghdadi in Syria and northern Iraq and there are also christian groups around the world. Remember Joseph Kony in East Africa, and similar groups seem to exist in West Africa too. Christian fundamentalism is also a significant force in the USA. In fact, the very mission concept itself leads to an attempt of world domination when applied by a mundane religious institution. However, usually it's the other way around; the desire to dominate the world is concealed by religion. But of all candidates the ones that came closest to success are the money worshipers; they have the most followers.


Moreover, every group attempting to conquer and dominate the entire world instantly finds itself at war with all other groups desiring the same thing. Surely Jewish fundamentalism is one major reason why Nazis hate Jews.




(1)at all times the pipe dream of a world empire has been dreamed by countless people. But empires of such size always tend to fall apart faster than you can build them. The collapse of the USSR - at that time being the sole competitor of the US-led western empire - has not marked the beginning of the USA's undisputed domination but the rise of new opponents - first China and then the Russian Federation - and also the decline of America itself. And that, before those new opponents grew powerful enough to be a threat.


(2)most of them are busy with settling the west bank as well as gaining or maintaining their government's support for it.

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:08
by Ochnö
As a matter of fact, Jewish fundamentalists that feel entitled and even requested to dominate the entire world(1) do exist.
Where are the facts for this crooked thesis?

Are you talking about this fake book written from christians"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

Moreover, every group attempting to conquer and dominate the entire world instantly finds itself at war with all other groups desiring the same thing. Surely Jewish fundamentalism is one major reason why Nazis hate Jews.
They had no "reason"-they just wanted to hate.
Racists need no reason to hate
Alle their reasons they come up with are just BS.

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 13:13
by xg27
Ochnö wrote: Where are the facts for this crooked thesis?

Are you talking about this fake book written from christians"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?
No. Haven't even read it and don't intend to. I'm talking about even bombings of non fundamentalist israeli officers for not supporting the (fundamentalist) idea of Jews to be destined to rule the world and thus engage in expansive settling (of the west bank) and I'm talking about recorded statements of those (fundamentalists) found guilty of it and convicted long after having served their prison time. It looks as if those fundamentalists first had a hard time obtaining the israeli governments tolerance for said settling, and consequently - not solely becaus of this, though - Israel finds itself in a delicate situation internationally. Obviously, that's were the fundamentalist jews are and not in an alledged world conspiracy of some super rich individuals.

If You care to know and dig into the issue You will find according documents of better creditability than most of what's published about the subject. And if You don't care to know and insist that this is not true, well that's fine with me,too.


They had no "reason"-they just wanted to hate.
Racists need no reason to hate
Alle their reasons they come up with are just BS.
If it were so then Nazis would hate everybody to the same extent.

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 20:24
by Ochnö
I'm talking about even bombings of non fundamentalist israeli officers for not supporting the (fundamentalist) idea of Jews to be destined to rule the world and thus engage in expansive settling (of the west bank) and I'm talking about recorded statements of those (fundamentalists) found guilty of it and convicted long after having served their prison time. It looks as if those fundamentalists first had a hard time obtaining the israeli governments tolerance for said settling, and consequently - not solely becaus of this, though - Israel finds itself in a delicate situation internationally. Obviously, that's were the fundamentalist jews are and not in an alledged world conspiracy of some super rich individuals.
1.trustworthy source about"world domination"?
2.Only thing that I can see that's true that there are some crazy people out there that want the whole "holy country"back that had got lost more then 2k years ago.
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If it were so then Nazis would hate everybody to the same extent.
They did/do,if you not belive their bs ideas.
That's why they killed not only jewish,they killed Gypsy,Polish,Russians,French,Christians &&&
You can look it up on wikipedia if you want.

Called themself "Arians"(like the crazy "Arian Nation"in the US)wich was a tribe which settled ~ 10.000 years ago at Iran and never ever came to Europe.

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:03
by GiHimp
xg27 wrote:So, the Jews -
Apologies for the delayed response. I was temporarily indispensable.

With all due respect Sir, I beg to differ. Your very first sentence already causes confusion. Nowhere is the word 'Jew' mentioned. Agreed? Fine.

If you equate Jews with Zionists, you have already been deceived either by your sources of information or by deception of the masters of deception and illusion.

Zionists are not necessarily Jews, and Jews are not necessarily Zionist. It is a quite popular and very common fallacy which is nurtured by design.

Comprehending this elementary presupposition is essential for any further discussion. Otherwise, we are talking about two different things which I am afraid I'm not willing to accept.

If I talk about Jews, then I refer to these people [ nkusa.org ], people you and others might never have even heard of. These are the real Jews, the orthodox Jews, the fundamental Jews.

And you know why you never heard them? Because the Zionists have done everything within their power to keep these brave Jews under wraps. You are not allowed to know that this group even exists!

Now for Zionists. Zionists doing their dirty deeds from right behind the Jewish Religion. They literally hide behind it. They use it as an impenetrable fortress, the perfect defense facility. And their unbeatable defense weapons are 'anti-Semitism' and 'Holocaust'. That's the way they became untouchables and ultimately invincible. It's every villains wet dream come true.

Or as Benjamin Netanyahu puts it: We do what we want whenever we want and where we want. (and I might add: To whom we want). Look no further than the USS Liberty incident [ http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/060109a.html ]. If you read it, you'll find exactly what I'm talking about.

Albert Einstein refused to accept the Israeli Passport when they handed it over to him. He gave it back and that for a good reason. He didn't want to be part of something that looked Jewish but wasn't.

As you see we both differ in interpretation of the Terms Zionist, Jews and fundamental Jews.

David Icke and his audience seem to understand exactly what I'm talking about [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuRHQ8Gy2nI ] . So my opinion is not an isolated one.

Unless we find common ground in terms of interpretation, we are on two different wavelengths.
xg27 wrote:However, their (Jewish fundamentalists) significance is greatly overrated
We might have different resources of information, for which I can't blame you, but rest assured, you have not the slightest imagination of the magnitude of their actions.

To understand the whole issue, one has to go way back in time. Try Douglas Reeds Book “The Controversy of Zion” (in German “Streit um Zion”) for a start. When you are through with this jump to Gerhard Menuhin “Tell the Truth and shame the devil”. Good luck finding the latter. For the former one I can lend you a digital copy, in case you're interested.

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 16:12
by xg27
>nkusa.org

Yes, that sounds like Judaism and highly respectable.

And, I was about to tenderly touch the subject of the sharp discrepancy between the Israeli state and the Jews some day peacefully living in their land without having pursuit it, as foretold by Judaism.

There, Neturei Karta says that Zionists are jewish apostates from Judaism that succumbed to corruption and pursue Power and Riches, operating under the administrative body of Israel. That's a definition. However, this comes closer to what I've called 'the money worshipers' rather than what I defined as 'religious fundamentalists'. Terminology, yes. It's all very confusing as relying on the foundation is nothing bad to begin with and Zion is the very mountain where the treaty between the new-found god and the jewish people was established (in the successful attempt to redefine their national identity after generations of slavery in Egypt).


This is not solely a matter of Judaism or religion in general but of sustainability and ethics. And You find it not only in Palestine but everywhere. I think, our main difference is that You point to jewish zionists whereas I point to the mirror. To all of us, to reconsider what we partizipate in or support or at least tolerate.



What remains unaddressed is the question whether and how Israel is responsible for refugee streams from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Black Africa or Central America, though....

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:44
by fight for the future
xg27 wrote: What remains unaddressed is the question whether and how Israel is responsible for refugee streams from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Black Africa or Central America, though....
The zionists with the help of the military-industrial complex are responsible. They invaded palestine and they continue to invade and destabilize other countries with the help of the zionists-british-usa-eu-un-nato-others. They can't kill all of them, so they bring them into their own countries. But even I know that god will not give them the world, it won't happen. He will raise up enemies to punish them for their dirty deeds.

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:04
by xg27
Here a picture comes to mind with a pie on the table and a bunch of kids sitting around it in quarrel about the pie. The only thing they agree on is that 'the zionists' are responsible for their quarrel and that god will punish the zionists for this. And when asked who the 'zionists' in fact are, every reasonable definition they can come up with fits equally to every single one of themselves. And indeed, they all mourn about god's punishment.....

Re: An incontrovertible corollary

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 13:10
by DanielRichards
and yet we must in any case remain people. No matter what sages or tyrants in the past were not. While in the present the person has not known that he will not bring to the world either good or bad. For this, there will always be arguments and discussions.
I lead to what is written on the fence, then do not take it serious